Its either i Stop the Ball or jump it... but never Draw's...
Why~!?

i know its hard to teach with words. but
any pointers? Do/dont's?

Jack up more, stab the ball with a very short 3" stroke follow through, like a boxing jab, hold cue light and flick the wrist. Just nip or pinch the ball.

[ Edited by FASTLARRY on 2005/12/23 8:23 ]

Hmmm i think i see what ur talkin about...

cause my friend was telling me to keep the cue as low n level as possible. (always jumped n stopped when i tried that)

is it the tip or ferrule or shaft that puts so much english into the ball?
cause when i saw ur movie of u doing a draw man it drawed sooo much~!!! last time i actually drawed correctly i can only draw it like 1 foot...

[ Edited by xDizzy on 2005/12/25 2:02 ]

i forgot to mention i was using a house cue when i drawed it like 1 feet.

You need a good tip, find a house cue wiht a full one, then rough it up with a shaper, then jack up a little and stab down into the ball, pinch it, very little follow through. Stab the ball, that is what I call the shot. The stab.

DOES THE METHOD YOU EXPLAINED HERE APPLY TO ALL DRAW SHOTS NO MATTER THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE OBJECT BALL AND THE CUE BALL?

ALSO HOW HIGH DO YOU JACK UP AND EXACTLY HOW LOW DO YOU AIM ON THE CUE BALL?

[ Edited by Sodapop on 2005/12/25 15:44 ]

good question soda pop i would like to know that too~!

This is why I refuse to teach the draw over the net, it can not be done.

i see what u mean... lol

I'll have a dvd out on it soon. That is the only way it can be done.

im glad i won one. i hope u send em asap.

I am still recovering from the surgery, they will all go out this week. Getting better slowly.

slow n steady wins the race =)

Do you explain the draw in the DVD's we won?

Yes, but briefly. Try and understand John Roberts in his book in 1911 wrote it is impossible to teach the screw in a book, but I will try and he wrote a entire chapter, 21 pages, 17 diagrams and 17 seperate methods. That was how much he knew about it.

Bob Byrne wrote one paragraph in his book, that is how little he knows about it.


when I do my draw DVD, it will be just on this subject and I expect it to run 2 l/2 hrs.

If I open up this subject 2 things happen to me, one, I give up my secrets to competitors for free, two, it becomes a non ending dialog which goes no where so I just don't do it. You want the draw, come see me for a lesson or wait for the draw DVD.

Absolutely. If at all possible, get a lesson with Larry to solve your draw problems. He consistently teaches you to draw within 10 mins (I took 12 mins cause I was really screwed up). But after that lesson and some consistent practicing, I can draw the entire length of the table and partially back if I want. It is worth the time, money, and energy to spend a day with Larry if you can. He gives you so much more than you expect. I would recommend a lesson with Larry to anyone. I am hoping to get something set up with him in March if I can pull it off...

Good luck,
Craig

draw table length~!?
that i would have to see for myself...

Oh lord was Craig a basket case, I thought we both would implode. He did get there finally. They guy has fantastic talent be he was so totally brain washed by the dark side. When I get total beginners, never held a cue in their hands, know nothing, I have them drawing table length in 5 minutes.

Its the people who have read and believed all this crap that does not work is what causes me all of my grief, I MUST convince them they bought wrong data, then erase it, then reprogram them
correctly. That can be 15 min to 30, depending on how much belief and trust they come into the lesson for me. You have no concept how hard that is to pull off. This is why I will spend 2 l/2 hrs on that DVD, I will then put an end to this madness.

I show the student I can draw table length hitting the cue ball at the equator, middle of the ball. I can then draw 4 table lengths hitting on top of the ball, north pole, this destroys the current teaching which is draw low and level with a long follow through. I teach the exact opposite of all of those things.

Please understand, nobody in pool has given more time and more free teaching away than I have, but two things I wont teach here are the draw and the masse, you must be one on one with me, so please accept my postion on this. The net, books, have limitations.

[ Edited by FASTLARRY on 2005/12/28 0:08 ]

woah...

mAKES YA DIZZY, dizzy?

lol good one.

I dont mean to butt in here, but just wanted to suggest a loose grip on the butt when executing draw. I struggled for years before realizing that mistake.

Actually that's not it, at impact I grab the cue hard, its in the flick of the wrist is where the power is.

Thanks Larry. I will keep that in mind during my next match. Do you suggest alot of wrist just for draw, power shots, or just in general. I have experimented in the past with using my wrist more, but havent been convinced that it works better. But thats probably because I havent given it enough of a chance. Its easy to fall back on what you know, once you miss a shot. I admit, I have been a lazy player who doesnt practice much...but I will try more wrist on draw and letcha know. Thanks again.

My grip is very light on the draw but at impact I grab it. Some shots I dont use the wrist, but on all power shots I do, that is where all the power and juice on the ball comes from.

I apologize for not replying sooner. Long story there. I am glad to read you are back to 100%.
As far as your advice on the draw, it goes against everything I learned as a kid. I suspect now that I was taught wrong, at least draw wise(level cue, loose grip, follow through, nothing about tightening up on impact, or wrist). This makes alot of sense, considering the long distance draw has never been my strong point. I was taught by a 200 ball runner, but during the 80's when 9 ball was only starting to get popular. He seldom needed draw because his control was so good. Its all making good sense to me now Larry. I thank you for setting me straight, and I wish you well in all you do!

My draw methods are 100% opposite of what is now being taught, same on my force follow shots. I have to remove what you know, replace it with what works.

Amen to that... I had a lesson with Larry this past weekend and I am still working on everything we went over. I apparently have multiple fundamental flaws in my game. Glad to know what they are and how to fix them, but I thought I was doing so well. It took us most of the day just to get me to not poke at the cue ball. If at all possible, if you want to become a good pool player, take a lesson with a pro. Get your stroke analyzed and get your basics set down the right way. I always thought I was a pretty sound pool player, but it is clear that I really really need to work on my basics and fundamentals.

Best wishes,
Craig

If all my students were half as smart and nice as Craig life would be simple. Lessons are humbling. You learn, your not as good as you think. Weaknesses are exposed. You have to go down, to go up. It takes a strong person to go through them and a strong desire to improve.

Jack up more, stab the ball with a very short 3" stroke follow through, like a boxing jab, hold cue light and flick the wrist. Just nip or pinch the ball.


Hi again Larry. My best friend and I have been experimenting with what you have said about draw.
We are still confused, as we both get more draw with a level cue, while hitting below center. It seems that we only need to jack up a bit on long distance draw.
The wrist does seem to add some extra ooomph to the draw, thanks Larry. When you say a 3 inch follow through would be on the short side, what would be allot of follow through? 6 inches? We cant see how less follow through would give more draw. Cue speed seems to be important as well. I dont dispute what you are saying, only reporting our results. All the best, everyone.

The maximum follow thru is 3" past the outside back edge of the cue ball. The higher you jack up, the more draw you can impart on the ball and the higher you can hit it.

I can draw table length hitting the cue ball in the center on the equator, hitting on the north pole, on top, I can draw 4 table lengths.

Jack up, hit down, stab in fast, hit higher than normal, and she will burn rubber screaming back to you.

The draw shot, drives some people nuts.