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#1 User is offline   100_Nick 

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 08:31 AM

First of all I apologize for my English. Not dominate the language very well and serve me the help of an automatic translator. Only ask for a little tolerance and patience on your part.
I practiced without any method of aiming just so instinctive and natural and do not feel very comfortable with this method.
Because it im tryinng and find other solutions that might help me see more clearly and precisely the OB point contact.
I recently found a method (following the outline attached) that seemed cool and come this way to ask for help from more experienced about what you think.
What do you think will it work? It is worth practicing this method or should I give it up because it's a waste of time and will delay my progress?
I apologize if I come cause some inconvenience and thank all those who can participate and help.

Thank you very much.


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Posted 09 March 2010 - 10:13 AM

This looks like as good a system as any.

But.

You need to understand cling: Phenomenon where two balls, (usually the cue ball and an object ball) have some foreign material (often residual chalk or dirt picked up from unbrushed cloth) between them at the point of contact, resulting in the object ball struck being thrown offline from the expected trajectory, and often also affecting the post-impact path of the cue ball. In other words they stick together for a brief moment before traveling down the impact line.

And.

You need to understand Throw: The normal phenomenon where the object ball is pushed in a direction very slightly off the pure contact angle between the two balls. Caused by the friction imparted by the first ball sliding or rotating against the other ball.

If you add these to the aim point you described in your post, and then hit a lot of balls, then hit a lot more balls, it will work for you.

Find a competent instructor and you can become a better player much more quickly.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 01:52 PM

Demond is dead on about 'cling' and 'throw'. On shots wher the OB is only a couple of diamond out of the pocket it has minimal effect. However if you are shooting an OB the length of the table it can put you off enogh to jaw it up. Yes. I speak from experience :lol: .

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 03:10 PM

The system is not really much better than the ghost ball principle--which IS more intuative (ghost ball is more intuitve than the point and pivot system).

In order to minimize cling, you need the surface of the CB to rotate sideways at the same speed it rolls past the OB. Under this condition, there is not relative movement of the surface of the CB with respect to the surface of the OB and the energy transfer is immediate and negligible amounts of cling-delay happen. This requires the rest of the shot to need that amout of spin.

Coincidentally, this amount of CB sideways rotation also cancels out throw--if (and only if) the CB is not rotating forward or backwards at the moment of impact (e.g. sliding on the cloth as in a stop shot). And since the CB is sliding at contact, it will float down the tangent line with a modicum of side spin.

Overall, all these aiming systems are moot after you get 1,000,000 shots under your belt. Your CPU will have been programmed or you will have left the game out of frustration. While I recommend ghost ball with the understanding that after using ghost ball to line up the shot, you then need to compensate for the vector spin of the CB and the squirt that the cue imparts on the CB because of the vector spin {Vector spin takes both english and follow-draw into account}, any system to get you started is perfectly fine. Just be aware that sooner or later you will not be using an aiming system, but simply looking at the shot and the required position, you just shoot what seems to be natural, and presto, it just works--sort of like driving a car after a decade of practice.
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Posted 11 May 2010 - 05:36 PM

Hi Nick.

The best players aim by instinct. But for a beginner an aiming system helps until you are able to use instinct.

Therefore any good aiming system will help you become a good player, but whatever aiming system you choose, you will leave it behind as you get better.

I occasionally still use the ghost ball system when practicing a shot I don't have a feel for.

Remember that aiming systems fail to take account of cling and throw, so will never be perfect.

In my opinion, the S.A.M. system looks too complicated and not as easy to use as the normal ghost ball system. So I suggest normal ghost ball instead.

Good luck, which ever you choose.
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Posted 16 July 2010 - 04:35 PM

This is great info! Thanks!!!
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