[FASTLARRY]

VISION

9-29-05, 11-5-09, 2 pages, CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved. Published in DC, Bpn, czm, upp, ppt, flp, rsb, btt.

There are 3 things I have observed that have made all the great players. They came up in their Daddies pool hall and began playing as babies. They had pocketed 3 million balls before 16. They had a God given natural talent and great hand eye co ordination. When they first picked up a cue the game was easy to them and they usually ran 6 balls. The game always seemed simple. They had world class vision, 20/10, 20/15 or 20/20.

Unfortunately 99% of us were not given these 3 things which is why we are not now in the hall of fame.

Let’s discuss vision. The two greatest players of their time were Frank Ives of the USA and Walter Lindrum of Australia. Both were reported to have been able to go to the track and read the numbers on the backs of the jockeys ¾’s mile away when every one else had to use binoculars. The great players all have 20/10 or better vision. That is the great secret. They can see the dark outside edge of the ball in poor light when you can’t.

Ok, eat carrots, go get your eyes checked, maybe glasses might help. There are visions correcting techniques today that can work wonders. If you are a serious player do this. There are a lot of vitamins and food you can eat that will help vision.
Do a little research and you will find plenty out there. Begin with a good daily one a day vitamin pill. Talk to a GNC store for anything more specific.

I am eating raw carrots daily, apples, blue berries, nuts, cherries, broccoli, and a host of other veggies and juices. I do take vitamins just for vision but I do not want to recommend anything. Any vitamins you take should be discussed with your Doctor first. I take 2 tabs of I-caps daily for my Amg and a multivitamin, and a host of other herbs and weird stuff. I am trying and successfully holding off my condition tanking and taking me out of the game totally. My left eye see’s clearly, my right eye, can see American letters, and they float and break up into almost Chinese characters. Straight lines, go crooked. My vision has been fooked since 1993.

Willie Hoppe was taught to rest his eyes before any competition. He practiced hard and then began to slack off before an event. The day before he would just rest. The day of the event he would sleep 9 hours and then do nothing but take a long walk and then take a long nap mid afternoon. For the evening event he would not play during the day and just warm up before hand for 30 minutes. He would not read a newspaper or go to a movie. He would do nothing to strain his eyes. The key thing he was protecting was his eyes.

That means today no TV, no computers, the eye strain from there is tremendous. Do like Hoppe, rest your eyes for 2 days prior to any serious event you want to do well in. Have somebody else handle your emails for you. No books, no TV. Just shut down and rest your mind and eyes. Just play your upcoming match in your mind with your eyes closed and see your self playing perfect. See your self winning and holding the trophy. Stay in a dark room or pull the blinds. Don’t be out side in the sun. Get plenty of rest during those last two days. 8 hours was what Hoppe slept and he also napped in the afternoon and he was 18 when he was doing this.

Trevino said a hungry dog hunts best. Hoppe would eat soup and crackers only during the event day. He wanted to be hungry with his stomach light. He did not do caffeine, booze or drugs nor did he smoke. His system was clean and pure as a Tibetan Monk. Eat a double cheese burger and fries and a Polish hot dog with Kraut and you are digesting and an hour later your entire system now slugs down. Eat a tuna sandwich. Eat smart.

You are now probably looking at an object ball and seeing a fuzzy ball. Begin to laser your vision into a narrow beam. Get like Clint Eastwood, do snake eyes, burn a narrow beam down the line. Find the contact point and see that point to be a very small dot the size of a fly, focus on it intently when you are making your final strokes. Also do not see just a black pocket. See a spot, again a small dot, inside the pocket that shows you the center, or a place on the facing. Refine your aiming methods and take closer more specific aim points and watch your pots increase and your wins grow.

I can’t give you better eyes but I can teach you to use the ones you have better than you have been doing.

11-5-09, I just had my annual eye exam. I once had 20/15 vision. My left eye is still 20/20, but the bad news is my right eye, dominate eye I sight on, went south and was 20-120, but has now improved to be 20/70. It must be the carrots. Hell I passed a eye exam for my driver’s license where I don’t have to wear glasses. I passed without the glasses, but I do use distance prescription glasses just to drive with.

My AMD and the hardening of the back or my retinas still is incurable. I have cataracts beginning in both eyes and I am becoming very sensitive to light. I have used glasses to read, or work on the cpu and to drive with for years. I am going to make a pair just to play pool with and finally give that a try. All my previous attempts at this, failed. At my age, my vision continues to get worse every year, it does not get any better. Fortunately vision is not need to do a trick shot show, or to teach a lesson, but playing at any pro level, on any tour, with any level of higher skill, I now must admit, is long gone. What they tell old pool hustlers, when your eyes go, find a tin cup and buy a box of pencils to sell.

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[Leg]

Great post Larry. Pool is likely the most precise game played by humans and our vision is of critical importance. I wasn't blessed with perfect vision, and started wearing glasses when I was 10. I found it impossible to play pool with glasses because looking up through the lenses at an angle (I like to get down low) while making a shot really distorts my my vision. So, I've been wearing contact lenses since I started playing at age 15. Remarkably, my vision is now improving and my prescription is half of what it was 5 years ago. Don't give up hope. Have you explored stem-cell therapy for the retina? An interesting note: Jamaican fisherman have long known that ingesting cannabis dramatically improves vision in low lighting. Please share some specific information on your research into vision supporting supplements.

[FASTLARRY]

Leg, on Nov 6 2009, 08:22 AM, said:

Great post Larry. Pool is likely the most precise game played by humans and our vision is of critical importance. I wasn't blessed with perfect vision, and started wearing glasses when I was 10. I found it impossible to play pool with glasses because looking up through the lenses at an angle (I like to get down low) while making a shot really distorts my my vision. So, I've been wearing contact lenses since I started playing at age 15. Remarkably, my vision is now improving and my prescription is half of what it was 5 years ago. Don't give up hope. Have you explored stem-cell therapy for the retina? An interesting note: Jamaican fisherman have long known that ingesting cannabis dramatically improves vision in low lighting. Please share some specific information on your research into vision supporting supplements.

I have been to the top retina people in the state, and they all tell me, there is no cure, or surgical solution for what I have. My right eye blurs my vision in it, and the only thing allowing me to hang one, is the 20/20 left one, which helps it, but it puts a bad strain on me, as the two fight each other to focus, which they can't do.

Yes I understand smoking dope can help, but I wont put smoke in my lungs, which can damage them. I did that, a long time ago, and still have lung damage from it.

There has never been a world champion who wore glasses. The only one was Taberski, who's vision weakened, and he began to wear them at the very end of his career.

[MitchAlsup]

Leg, on Nov 6 2009, 07:22 AM, said:

Pool is likely the most precise game played by humans and our vision is of critical importance.

So the guys who shoot in PALMA at 1000 yards with iron sights (no optics) and put 10 bullets into 5" (at that 1000 yards) don't need at least as good eyesight as pool players?

[FASTLARRY]

MitchAlsup, on Nov 6 2009, 02:40 PM, said:

So the guys who shoot in PALMA at 1000 yards with iron sights (no optics) and put 10 bullets into 5" (at that 1000 yards) don't need at least as good eyesight as pool players?

I don't under stand, iron sites went out with the civil war? Who would do this, without a scope, or unless you are shooting a sharps at buffalo? Now and then, they would hit one at that distance, or shoot at a guy and hit his horse instead, just fookin around. 600 yrds was the longest they shot during the civil war, they would practice at that distance to get good at it.

Just fookin around bored, the longest I ever dropped big game was 600 with a scope, and it took me 4 or 5 to adjust for the drop and the wind using a 308. My scope was set for 200, so my rounds were coming in low, and I kept adjusting like artillery. Big ass mulie standing out in the middle of a field all by him self. He just stood there, confused, since he could not see me, he had no clue where they were coming from. Buffalo are also a big target, its like hitting a VW car. Buffalo are stupid, you can crawl right up on them, shoot one and they usually will just stand there and the rest wont move if they don't see you.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=fCKLiumEPHg

Here is a sharps at 1000 yrds.

[MitchAlsup]

Its the rules, Larry. The PALMA rules state that optical aids are not allowed and that the 308 cartrige is the only round used, and bullets must weigh less than 156 grains. All of this was to make this contest harder.

If you want to do this kind of long distance shooting with optical aids (scopes and stuff) the same course-of-fire is used in F-class shooting, with more choices in caliber (F-class open) or not (F-class T/R).

But, I am not here to promote shooting, I am here in this particular thread to demonstrate that there are other sports that require even better eyesight than playing pool at the top level of the game. {PALMA is generally considered to be the top level of the (slow fire) shooting sports}

[FASTLARRY]

MitchAlsup, on Nov 7 2009, 04:02 PM, said:

Its the rules, Larry. The PALMA rules state that optical aids are not allowed and that the 308 cartrige is the only round used, and bullets must weigh less than 156 grains. All of this was to make this contest harder.

If you want to do this kind of long distance shooting with optical aids (scopes and stuff) the same course-of-fire is used in F-class shooting, with more choices in caliber (F-class open) or not (F-class T/R).

But, I am not here to promote shooting, I am here in this particular thread to demonstrate that there are other sports that require even better eyesight than playing pool at the top level of the game. {PALMA is generally considered to be the top level of the (slow fire) shooting sports}

Yes, I understand, and there will always be people who will shoot bows and arrows, muskets and iron sights. And what I learned was, you can only shoot iron sites as far as you can see. If you can't see the target, how can you hit it? And, you can only clearly see a target and be accurate up to 400, 600 seems to be the outside range. That 800 and 1000 yrd shots are mostly myths, or luck shots. And they were done with a spotter using binoculars standing next to the shooter, helping him to range in. And that then, is no longer shooting, but artillery. So Valdez shooting cowboys off of running horses at 1000 yrds, was typical Hollywood movie bull shit. It's like the 6 gun that shoots 50 times and never misses. Rambo gets shot at with 1,000 rounds of automatic fire and never gets hit? I did my first deer hunting in the early 60's with a WWI Springfield rifle that used a .308. It had iron sights, and it was one hell of a fine accurate weapon.

http://www.surplusri.../1903/index.asp

The old weapons had iron sights that went up to 900, so the temptation was always there to actually try and hit something that far away. The loads, the powder back then was not good.

Using a top of the line modern gun, with a special load, find a marksman who practices iron sights at long distances with exceptional vision, yes that person might be able to hit 800 to 1000. But he would be a extreme rarity. Hand that same guy a Civil war gun with their powder and load which is what they did on the Military channel test, and he can't make the shot.
Most modern military shooters realize that 500 is their outer limit of accuracy.
There will always be somebody who will tell you they can hit 1000 and their dick, is longer than your dick.

[MitchAlsup]

FASTLARRY, on Nov 9 2009, 09:53 AM, said:

Yes, I understand, and there will always be people who will shoot bows and arrows, muskets and iron sights. And what I learned was, you can only shoot iron sites as far as you can see. If you can't see the target, how can you hit it? And, you can only clearly see a target and be accurate up to 400, 600 seems to be the outside range. That 800 and 1000 yrd shots are mostly myths, or luck shots.

Take a look at the following web site. The particular page is a PALMA shooting contest.
http://www.austeam.q...ARTResults.html

Notice that most of the top shooters are recording 894X52 and better. The 10 ring counts as 10 points and is 10 inches in diameter at 1000 yards (900 meters in this case), the 9 rings as 9, and so on. the number after the X (v in international shooting) is the number of shots that hit in the x ring 1/2 the size of the 10 rings. To get a score of 894 one must place as many shots in the 10 ring as are placed in the 8 ring. To get a score of v52 one must place 52 shots in the X ring which is 1/2 the size of the 10 ring.

Looking over the whole match we see a class of shooters that are making 1000 yard shots into this kind of accuracy all the frigging time. The best are getting more than 50% of their shots into 5 inches at 1000 yards all the time.

That said, the average shooter would not even be able to find the target even with a scope--but I digress... Its a bit like the average pool player against the likes of Larry...

[FASTLARRY]

MitchAlsup, on Nov 9 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

Take a look at the following web site. The particular page is a PALMA shooting contest.
http://www.austeam.q...ARTResults.html

Notice that most of the top shooters are recording 894X52 and better. The 10 ring counts as 10 points and is 10 inches in diameter at 1000 yards (900 meters in this case), the 9 rings as 9, and so on. the number after the X (v in international shooting) is the number of shots that hit in the x ring 1/2 the size of the 10 rings. To get a score of 894 one must place as many shots in the 10 ring as are placed in the 8 ring. To get a score of v52 one must place 52 shots in the X ring which is 1/2 the size of the 10 ring.

Looking over the whole match we see a class of shooters that are making 1000 yard shots into this kind of accuracy all the frigging time. The best are getting more than 50% of their shots into 5 inches at 1000 yards all the time.

That said, the average shooter would not even be able to find the target even with a scope--but I digress... Its a bit like the average pool player against the likes of Larry...

Since I confess just to be an average deer hunter, and no expert on this, are they hitting 1000 out with iron sights, or with sniper rifles and state of the art scopes. I know they can hit 2000 out or more with them. Maybe 3000. You are dead, before you hear the bang of the shot. Yes, and you made a wonderful point, there are always a small few, who can do things, nobody else can. And nobody can understand it, or believe it. How do you explain Mark McGuire, or Jordon, people like that. Or Tiger Woods. The list could go on all day long.

[MitchAlsup]

FASTLARRY, on Nov 11 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

Since I confess just to be an average deer hunter, and no expert on this, are they hitting 1000 out with iron sights, or with sniper rifles and state of the art scopes.

PALMA is the iron sights version (155 gr bullet)
F-class T/R is the sniper rifle version (14 pound max)
F-class O is the benchrest rifle version

[FASTLARRY]

MitchAlsup, on Nov 11 2009, 04:38 PM, said:

PALMA is the iron sights version (155 gr bullet)
F-class T/R is the sniper rifle version (14 pound max)
F-class O is the benchrest rifle version

Show me evidence where these guys at hitting targets at 1000 with iron sights with no side spotter using glasses. I'd love to believe this. I understand with a sniper scope, this is no biggie.

[MitchAlsup]

FASTLARRY, on Nov 11 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

Show me evidence where these guys at hitting targets at 1000 with iron sights with no side spotter using glasses. I'd love to believe this. I understand with a sniper scope, this is no biggie.

Use the link posted 3 posts ago, or google up PALMA. PALMA is essentially the "America's Cup" of shooting.

[FASTLARRY]

MitchAlsup, on Nov 12 2009, 02:44 PM, said:

Use the link posted 3 posts ago, or google up PALMA. PALMA is essentially the "America's Cup" of shooting.

I can't, I can't see that far.

[MitchAlsup]

FASTLARRY, on Nov 12 2009, 01:59 PM, said:

I can't, I can't see that far.

With your back and rotator cup problems you couldn't move the mouse to scroll upwards anyways.....

[FASTLARRY]

MitchAlsup, on Nov 13 2009, 11:45 AM, said:

With your back and rotator cup problems you couldn't move the mouse to scroll upwards anyways.....

Yo, my mooosie finger is seizing up, it was diagnosed with maximumscarpaldoublefookednoworkinanymosyndrom. I am tellin ya, I am fallin apart, if I wuz a horse I would shoot my own ass. Any hu, The eye doctor diagnosed me with CCS. That's my excuse and I am stickin to it.


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Cant See shit.

I'd like to find, sometin dats still workin around dis joint?

See attached picture of me, click it to see more...................

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[FASTLARRY]

I will also like to find sometin around dis joint, dat aint crooked?

Ah yes indeed, a little chalk on the tip and lets double the stakes my boy.

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