[FASTLARRY]

Physics and Pool.

7 pages, 4-02-03, 9-23-09, CR, Fast Larry Guninger, all rights reserved, published in DC, BPN, czm, upp, ppt, flp, rsb, btt.

Do you have to know physics and all the diamond, banking and aiming systems to become a good pool player?

All or most of the world champions had these simple things. They came up in their daddy’s pool hall and began play as a baby. They played with the best players all of their lives. They had exceptional vision, 20/10 or better. They had exceptional hand eye co-ordination, i.e., they were naturals. When they picked up a cue, the game was easy and simple to them and they ran balls from the get go. Their success had nothing to do with going to college classes on physics.

Willie Hoppe, Minnesota Fats, Efren Reyes and many other stars like them never sat a foot or spent a day in a school and were virtually illiterate. Jim Rempe spent little time in school. They never had a math class but they all became the best in the game. Their minds were not polluted because they could not read what the physics guru’s were writing about how to play with systems. They did not have any systems, did not want any systems. Systems are for chumps and losers Fatty once told me.

All the top bankers of the 20th century I knew and played with. I asked them and not one of them had a system, they banked by feel and experience, they just saw the shot, simple lines in their heads, angle in, angle out.

Willie Hoppe wrote his 2nd and most famous book in 1941, actually he could not write a book and the head of the federation wrote it for him, and in his first edition on page 64 there are 9 large pages of diagrams on instruction. It teaches you how to play 3-cushion by the diamond system. One small problem, Hoppe by not writing that book which is typical today, just shows up for pictures and a ghost writer puts it together. An amateur player wrote Hoppie's book who was Byron Schoeman who at the time was director of public relations for the billiard association of America. Schoeman wrote the diamond system for Hoppe because Willie had been winning world championships, 100 of, since 1908, with out using any diamond systems. He did not have a clue what it was nor did he want to know.

He was taught to play by feel and to just visualize the shot by his teachers, Ives, Schaefer and Daly. Pro Golfers are taught the same method today. Once the basics are mastered, you never think again, it’s all see, feel, do.

Raymond Cuelemans who is some say the greatest 3-C player of all time from Belgium and surely the greatest of the modern era had won 2 worlds before he found out what the diamond system even was. He today will frame, or line up a shot using it, but then once on the general line, will then not take that line as firm, but will then alter it and shoot the shot from there on by feel.

Players in all sports, baseball, golf, tennis, pool, billiards reach world class play and do not have a clue what physics is or what it does. It is totally UN necessary. All pure system players are never any better than ham and eggers, the feel players eat their lunches. When I first read Koehler’s book on the Science of the game I could not hit my butt with a broom for 2 weeks until all of that crap cleared out. None of that knowledge is necessary to become the world champion.

Jim Rempe told me when he was number one in the world and the current world champion Meucci asked him to do a video on how to play pool. Jim said when he then had to think about every facet of the game, suddenly a shocking thing hit him. He did not have a clue how to play pool or what it was all about. Jim had just been playing by feel and experience. He can admit that now retired from competition, but few current players would admit that if they are on tour and winning. They could never admit, they are winning, but do not have a clue.

This is why no pro golfer today will give lessons. It causes you to think and analyze every facet of the game, which will destroy your game. They teach when they retire.

Aiming systems are only needed or used by beginners. A poll of the top 35 men and women’s players was conducted by P&B magazine and it was found none of them were using any aiming system; they all just lined up and saw the shot.

If all this advanced knowledge of physics, Geometry and Math were so important, then explain to me why the most intelligent men in pool, who have PhD’s, many are engineers, very high Iq’s, can’t play a lick. None of them can run a rack for money to save their soul. Yet you can find some of the lowest IQ people on earth, who were kicked out of the 3rd grade, who are seriously dumb and they will run a 6 pack on you in a heart beat, or play for an hour and never miss a shot.

Some information is necessary to learn like how to modify the Ghost ball aiming system and understanding cling, throw, squirt, deflection. Once it is learned and absorbed it should then be blended into using it by feel with no conscious thought. Playing in a Zen like state and in the zone is what you wish to achieve.

You have these lab rats and PHD’s sitting around on these chat sites, or have columns in magazines discussing the atomic reactions to protons and their kinetic
energy releases during elastic spherical circular collisions and their
coefficient of restitution

E=1
CR=V2f/ V1f-/V1-V2
v'_a=\frac{m_a v_a + m_b v_b + m_b C_R(v_b-v_a)}{m_a+m_b}
and
v'_b=\frac{m_a v_a + m_b v_b + m_a C_R(v_a-v_}{m_a+m_b}

And Efren with his 9 IQ and schooling from the Jungle which existed of
zero time in a class room is saying, Aye Carumba, all I want to do is
shove a ball into the pocket. Minnesota Fats, Willie Hoppe never set
foot inside a school room and were virtually illiterate. Jim Rempe,
close to it. None of them could even spell the name, physics. None
of them, even had a clue what it meant.

This proves, this knowledge is
worthless, even harmful in your quest to learn how to play pool.
DO you actually think knowing COR and numbers in the range
qualitatively or how they may represent a perfectly elastic collision
is going to help you make cut shots? The first thing you have to
learn how to do, is lose these people and quit reading their crap.
Normal people think on the right sides of their brains and it’s natural for them to then play by feel. They become salesmen and are in non technical fields. People who think on the left sides of their brains are forced to play using constant mental calculations and they find trying to play by feel extremely difficult. They become our engineers, lab rats and doctors.

It has been fully understood in Golf for a long time that physics and knowledge of it belongs only to the teachers and that once a player begins to seek it, understand it, then paralysis by analysis takes place and they then destroy their games. They begin to think instead of just playing and then they are sitting behind a counter with a mic in their hand and are out of the game on the field.

Some of the dullest and dumbest minds have become some of our greatest players and stars in all sports.
It is understood in golf that to be very intelligent this is a curse. Let it be known that I have passed a Mensa test and have an IQ of 152 and I am an Electronic Engineer by past trade. I know of what I speak of here. The only way I could go forward was to learn how to turn off the little voice in my head that jabbers at me, I call him Fred. In the Orient he is called Monkey brain. I then learned to play with a total empty brain, with zero conscious thought going on and just play fast and loose and freewheel. It seriously does not go any deeper than that. The stupid players do that automatically because they don’t have any thing up there to confuse them.

Yes, this is what I call a leap of faith, you just do it and with some time and practice, it kicks in. The problem is the PhD’s and Engineers are control freaks, they must control every action, under stand each thing happening, which is what dooms them. The stupid guy just wants to pot the ball and he could give a flip how it goes in. Ballard thought me that when you begin to think about the swing, or focus on any one part of it, or try and control one or more, you then destroy all natural rhythm and co-ordination. My teachers in golf were Jug McSpadden, Ballard and Toski. I have been a scratch golfer all my life and I play with zero thought.

My advice is stop reading the columns of these physics doctors and the minute they get technical, turn the page. They will poison your game, not heal it. There are two writers in golf digest I refuse to read a single thing they write because it’s first a waste of my time, 2nd, it will not help me play better, 3rd, it will pollute my mine. I fear getting their disease they are selling you, it’s called, paralysis by analysis.

If you want some proof, here are some comments made by many stars. I could list many from pool players but I choose not to embarrass them. Trust me; we have many pool players who are not the brightest candle in the church.

Babe Ruth was asked, what do you think about this new book on the physics of baseball and batting. The bambino said, what duz physics have to do wit battin?

Joe Dimaggo when on a tear setting all his records was asked how he was doing it, did he have a batting system. Joe said, naw, I just walk up, wack da ball over da 2nd basemans head and run like hell.

This is like deja vu all over again.
--Yogi Berra
Half the game is 90% mental.
--Yogi Berra
If I didn't wake up, I'd still be sleeping.
--Yogi Berra
Slump ? I ain't in no slump. I just ain't hittin.
--Yogi Berra
Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical
--Yogi Berra
"You can observe a lot just by watching."
"He must have made that before he died." -- Referring to a Steve McQueen movie.
"I want to thank you for making this day necessary." -- On Yogi Berra Appreciation Day in St. Louis in 1947.
"I'd find the fellow who lost it, and, if he was poor, I'd return it." -- When asked what he would do if he found a million dollars.
"Think! How the hell are you gonna think and hit at the same time?"
"You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there."
"I knew I was going to take the wrong train, so I left early."
"If you don't know where you are going, you will wind up somewhere else."
"If you can't imitate him, don't copy him."
"You better cut the pizza in four pieces because I'm not hungry enough to eat six."
"It was impossible to get a conversation going; everybody was talking too much."
"A nickel isn't worth a dime today."
"Nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded."
"It gets late early out there." -- Referring to the bad sun conditions in left field at the stadium.
"Glen Cove." -- Referring to Glenn Close on a movie review television show.
Once, Yogi's wife Carmen asked, "Yogi, you are from St. Louis, we live in New Jersey, and you played ball in New York. If you go before I do, where would you like me to have you buried?" Yogi replied, "Surprise me."
"Do you mean now?" -- When asked for the time.
"I take a two hour nap, from one o'clock to four."
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it."
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough in the second half you give what's left."
"90% of the putts that are short don't go in."
"I made a wrong mistake."
"Texas has a lot of electrical votes." -- During an election campaign, after George Bush stated that Texas was important to the election.
"Thanks, you don't look so hot yourself." -- After being told he looked cool.
"I always thought that record would stand until it was broken."
"Yeah, but we're making great time!" -- In reply to "Hey Yogi, I think we're lost."
"If the fans don't come out to the ball park, you can't stop them."
"Why buy good luggage? You only use it when you travel."
"It's never happened in the World Series competition, and it still hasn't."
"How long have you known me, Jack? And you still don't know how to spell my name." -- Upon receiving a check from Jack Buck made out to "bearer."
"I'd say he's done more than that." -- When asked if first baseman Don Mattingly had exceeded expectations for the current season.
"The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
"He can run anytime he wants. I'm giving him the red light." -- On the acquisition of fleet-footed Ricky Henderson.
"I never blame myself when I'm not hitting. I just blame the bat, and if it keeps up, I change bats. After all, if I know it isn't my fault that I'm not hitting, how can I get mad at myself?"
"It ain't the heat; it's the humility."
"The towels were so thick there I could hardly close my suitcase."
"You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours."
"I didn't really say everything I said."
Chicago Cubs outfielder Andre Dawson on being a role model: "I wan' all
dem kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I wan' all the kids to
copulate me."
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New Orleans Saint RB George Rogers when asked about the upcoming season:
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first."
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And, upon hearing Joe Jacobi of the 'Skins say: "I'd run over my own
mother to win the Super Bowl," Matt Millen of the Raiders said: "To win,
I'd run over Joe's Mom, too."
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Torrin Polk, University of Houston receiver, on his coach, John Jenkins:
"He treats us like men. He lets us wear earrings."
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Football commentator and former player Joe Theismann, 1996: "Nobody in
football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman
Einstein."
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Senior basketball player at the University of Pittsburgh: "I'm going to
graduate on time, no matter how long it takes." (now that is beautiful)
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Bill Peterson, a Florida State football coach: "You guys line up
alphabetically by height." And, "You guys pair up in groups of three,
then line up in a circle."
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Boxing promoter Dan Duva on Mike Tyson hooking up again with promoter
Don King: "Why would anyone expect him to come out smarter? He went to
prison for three years, not Princeton."
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Stu Grimson, Chicago Blackhawks left wing, explaining why he keeps a
color photo of himself above his locker: "That's so when I forget how to
spell my name, I can still find my clothes."
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Lou Duva, veteran boxing trainer, on the Spartan training regime of
heavyweight Andrew Golota: "He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the
morning regardless of what time it is."
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Chuck Nevitt, North Carolina State basketball player, explaining to
Coach Jim Valvano why he appeared nervous at practice: "My sister's
expecting a baby, and I don't know if I'm going to be an uncle or an
aunt." (I wonder if his IQ ever hit room temperature in January)
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Frank Layden, Utah Jazz president, on a former player: "I told him,
'Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?' He said, 'Coach,
I don't know and I don't care.'"
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Shelby Metcalf, basketball coach at Texas A&M, recounting what he told a
player who received four F's and one D: "Son, looks to me like you're
spending too much time on one subject."
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Amarillo High School and Oiler coach Bum Phillips when asked by Bob
Costas why he takes his wife on all the road trips, Phillips responded:

"Because she is too damn ugly to kiss good-bye."
(Dead man walkin')

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[MitchAlsup]

FASTLARRY, on Sep 23 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Physics and Pool.

This proves, this knowledge is worthless, even harmful in your quest to learn how to play pool.

No, it might demonstrate that for many (maybe even most) players that you can become good without any knowledge of physics whatsoever.

But it in no way proves, if you are capable of understanding the physics, that that understanding holds your pool game back in any way whatsoever.

[FASTLARRY]

MitchAlsup, on Sep 29 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

No, it might demonstrate that for many (maybe even most) players that you can become good without any knowledge of physics whatsoever.

But it in no way proves, if you are capable of understanding the physics, that that understanding holds your pool game back in any way whatsoever.

It will definitely hold your game back for weeks, months, as long as you are thinking, plotting, planning, calculating, you are doing it wrong. But once you absorb it, and make it 2nd nature, and go back to your zen training of zero thought, then you will advance and be OK> One of the problems feel players have, is when they get into a slump, they are triple fooked, and they have to run to me to bail them out. If you really know your game, and how all this works, when your game breaks down, you can fix your self.
And do not think, I cannot teach it, I taught physics professors at Ga Tech, and hundreds of these engineers for years there, but, it makes me work double, I have to teach it all, explain it all, then teach the student once he understands it, to forget it and play with a empty mind in a zen like state.

Everything now to me seems so simple, its really hard for me, to teach it technically and make a simple game, hard for you.

I tell people, go see Jewett, and once he has you so screwed up and locked up you cant hit your butt with a broom, come see me and I'll un do all the mess.

I explain a lot of things, to the advanced student, or to the regular dedicated student. To the beginner, Kiss.
Nobody gets this stuff from me on the first lesson or two, nobody. I have turned many away, who pushed for it.

Somewhere, you have to get in one, or the other camp. You can't be in both.

[MitchAlsup]

FASTLARRY, on Sep 29 2009, 07:23 PM, said:

It will definitely hold your game back for weeks, months, as long as you are thinking, plotting, planning, calculating, you are doing it wrong. But once you absorb it, and make it 2nd nature, and go back to your zen training of zero thought, then you will advance and be OK

Not knowing the physics does hold them back if they have to understand why before they can get a feel for the thing. After they understand the physics and can see how the physics transpires on the table, it helps them determine what 'feel' feels like.

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> One of the problems feel players have, is when they get into a slump, they are triple fooked, and they have to run to me to bail them out. If you really know your game, and how all this works, when your game breaks down, you can fix your self.

No disagreement, here. It takes a while, after someone climbs up the next plateau in their game, thinking they are playing the best pool in their lives, only to have a mechanical problem completely obliterate their stroke. Until they can see (or feel) the problem they are lost (and should seek out teachers/trainers. But if the player understands how the physics is supposed to transpire and watches howthe physics does transpire, the physics-minded player can see what piece of the physics is incorrect and this leads towards finding the flaw.

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And do not think, I cannot teach it, I taught physics professors at Ga Tech, and hundreds of these engineers for years there, but, it makes me work double, I have to teach it all, explain it all, then teach the student once he understands it, to forget it and play with a empty mind in a zen like state.

Still no disagreement. Physics is a means to find flaws, not a solution for those flaws.

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Everything now to me seems so simple, its really hard for me, to teach it technically and make a simple game, hard for you.

I tell people, go see Jewett, and once he has you so screwed up and locked up you cant hit your butt with a broom, come see me and I'll un do all the mess.

I explain a lot of things, to the advanced student, or to the regular dedicated student. To the beginner, Kiss.
Nobody gets this stuff from me on the first lesson or two, nobody. I have turned many away, who pushed for it.

Somewhere, you have to get in one, or the other camp. You can't be in both.

Agreed. When I do High Performance Driving Instruction, the novices are separated from the faster groups so that they can work on the KISS that leads to better deeper understanding later. More advanced students naturally seperate themselves into several (around 4) groups based on how they accumulate knowledge and convert it into actions on the race track. At least one of these subgroups learns faster when they are shown how the physics works. I also agree that several of the groups need no physics whatsoever.

I will conjecture as to why no physical-minded player has reached the top of professional pool--there is more and easier money to be had in practicing physics for a corporation or governemtal entity than in playing pool for a living.

[FASTLARRY]

MitchAlsup, on Oct 1 2009, 12:18 AM, said:

Not knowing the physics does hold them back if they have to understand why before they can get a feel for the thing. After they understand the physics and can see how the physics transpires on the table, it helps them determine what 'feel' feels like.



No disagreement, here. It takes a while, after someone climbs up the next plateau in their game, thinking they are playing the best pool in their lives, only to have a mechanical problem completely obliterate their stroke. Until they can see (or feel) the problem they are lost (and should seek out teachers/trainers. But if the player understands how the physics is supposed to transpire and watches howthe physics does transpire, the physics-minded player can see what piece of the physics is incorrect and this leads towards finding the flaw.



Still no disagreement. Physics is a means to find flaws, not a solution for those flaws.



Agreed. When I do High Performance Driving Instruction, the novices are separated from the faster groups so that they can work on the KISS that leads to better deeper understanding later. More advanced students naturally separate themselves into several (around 4) groups based on how they accumulate knowledge and convert it into actions on the race track. At least one of these subgroups learns faster when they are shown how the physics works. I also agree that several of the groups need no physics whatsoever.

I will conjecture as to why no physical-minded player has reached the top of professional pool--there is more and easier money to be had in practicing physics for a corporation or governmental entity than in playing pool for a living.

FL RESPONDS: Going around a crowded track at 200, where is the time to think. Think, and your dead. It's all programed reactions, knowing what to do instantly, without thinking, when something arises. I have a 2nd degree black belt in Karate, throw a punch or kick, I don't think, I am programed to react and block anything incoming, dozens of different ways instantly.

This is why women are usually double fooked when they go into a skid or slide on water or ice, first then panic, freeze and lock up, then they think, then they slam on the breaks, then they are toast. The guy instantly but slowly turns the tires into the skid and stays off the break.

I got a speeding ticket for 140, and have driven a Lambo at 200 once. They don't call me fast larry for nuttin. Speed is power, a real high, total exhilaration. When I take my student back to the hotel after his lesson, I always go over 100 on the interstate, there is a short stretch where its safe to do that at a very long exit ramp, and there are no other cars around us, and most, really are not used to going that fast.

As I said, the dumb, right brained low IQ, empty mind, is best for pool, or golf. Most flunk out of school early and in pool none went to college, few get through high school. Those people naturally drift into those sports and succeed. They could not even get a job interview with IBM, unless its sweeping the floor. My grandson just became an 4 palm eagle scout, and graduated from high school with honors, and is going to Ga Tech to become an engineer. I gave him my 5 speed red Z car as a graduation gift. I am back driving an old fart car with an automatic transmission. I am dreaming of a red vet. Top down, wind in my hair, ripping through the gears. My pecker gets hard, just thinking about it.

The left brain, high IQ, technically oriented people get higher education and become our engineers, cpu nerds, lab rats and doctors. They are hired by our top high tech corporations.

If you took Efren Reyes, sat him in a class room all day, for a week, and explained to him how all this works and taught him the physics of the game, you would screw this guy up so bad he would never win again. At the highest levels in Golf and Pool, and I play at both of them at high levels, everything is so simple, its just pull it back and wack it. Its all done by feel and visualization with no thought or direction. The better you get, the more simple it becomes. Some learn, or do this naturally, and for others, it can be taught to them. The more left brain they are, the harder this is for them to do.

[MitchAlsup]

FASTLARRY, on Oct 1 2009, 10:16 AM, said:

FL RESPONDS: Going around a crowded track at 200, where is the time to think. Think, and your dead. It's all programed reactions, knowing what to do instantly, without thinking, when something arises. I have a 2nd degree black belt in Karate, throw a punch or kick, I don't think, I am programed to react and block anything incoming, dozens of different ways instantly.

By the time you are within range of lap records or qualifying in the front of the field, you will have the track memorized. At this point, you can be carrying on a conversation with your passenger, waving at the flag marshals, and correcting a lurid slide while shifting gears; all at the same time, and not even be thinking about the lurid slide--its just another event in a long series of events. But that's after you have high performance driving all figured out. And you, Larry, have gotten to this point in pool (and I assume golf); whereas the up-and-comming haven't got it figured out. Sometimes, understanding the physics actually does help some people.

[FASTLARRY]

MitchAlsup, on Oct 1 2009, 12:28 PM, said:

By the time you are within range of lap records or qualifying in the front of the field, you will have the track memorized. At this point, you can be carrying on a conversation with your passenger, waving at the flag marshals, and correcting a lurid slide while shifting gears; all at the same time, and not even be thinking about the lurid slide--its just another event in a long series of events. But that's after you have high performance driving all figured out. And you, Larry, have gotten to this point in pool (and I assume golf); whereas the up-and-comming haven't got it figured out. Sometimes, understanding the physics actually does help some people.

I have never been on a track, did some high speed drag racing as a kid. It would be so cool to ride a few practice laps as a passenger, but I would guess insurance would not allow that. The next best thing we have is these video games. When I try one, it becomes a demolition derby.

I end up, BBR'ed, a Nasa term for burned beyond recognition. Kids stand behind me and laugh their asses off.

I fly planes and jets, so speed is not a problem for me. Some cars, go faster than some planes or choppers.

Screw up in pool or golf, you see the sun come up the next morning, screw up on your track, or in a plane, they tag and bag you. If they can find anything left to tag.

http://www.youtube.c...c4v6AkeP7g&NR=1

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[MitchAlsup]

[quote name='FASTLARRY' date='Oct 1 2009, 12:24 PM' post='28359']
I have never been on a track, did some high speed drag racing as a kid. It would be so cool to ride a few practice laps as a passenger, but I would guess insurance would not allow that. [quote]

I give rides to anyone brave enough to sit in the passenger seat whenever I am at the track (HPDE not real racing).

The thing about speed is that anyone can do it in a straight line. But try comming down off the banking at 161 MPH at TWS into turn 1 braking for 200 yards into T2 with the tail trying to hang out adn no margine for recovery.

[FASTLARRY]

I totally agree, that is why I began to see drag racing especially rails, as rather stupid, blowing down 1/4 mile in 5 or 6 seconds. Geeze Louis, its like being shot out of a GD cannon at the circus, not that she-yit does not go wrong there as well. I started going to Daytona and I guess that is what changed my opinion. When I grew up, everyone drag raced, if you didn't, you were some kind of sissy. You rolled up your pack of lsmft's under your T shirt sleeve, combed back your duck tails and gave the yuppie in the vet next to you the bird and revved up your double quads, and off you went. I lived, to blow vets off the road. Never lost to one, ever.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/AE30D96B20E...r-blows-up.aspx

Everything thing I have shown, was mechanical failures, resulting in horrible crashes, none of these pros could recover from. I crashed 3 airplanes, same thing, both engines go out, I am soon digging a hole in the ground. I flew out of them and lived, and drove out of some nasty spots with people coming at me on the wrong way on the freeway, my hood coming up at 75, blowing a front tire at 120, T boned on the drivers side by a drunk running a red light, travel millions of miles for 50 years every day, and sooner or later, just about everything that can go wrong will go wrong. You totally believe in Murphy, he rides, next to you. I have very fast, cat like reactions, which I guess I got from Karate, several times I should have died and could not believe I drove out of those traps.

I tell people, I learned to have double redundancy once I began to scuba dive and fly planes. Because when she-yit goes south there, you probably bought the farm/. There is no napa store at 20,000'

You look at these terrific crashes you see in nascar, and wonder and marvel, when they walk off.

None of us could under stand Dales crash, what a freak thing, that was. What a heart breaker.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=RVKLpNK6SqE

http://www.youtube.c...5v3pFco6xA&NR=1

I keep my seat belt on, and like big Caddy's and Town Cars on the road, or a big SUV, If you run into me, I want to win the crash.
And I cat around town in my 5 speed sports car, but don't do business in it.

[FASTLARRY]

What is it like to go 250 mph?

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=3nHN2rxq1YU

how about 1000

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=TJ1w0WxQI-o

At some point I have to question if these people are nuts?

[MitchAlsup]

One itoa from my statements in this thread may not be clear to everyone:

Physics is useful to learn how to play pool, but once you get to APA 5 (or so) its all about execution

Physics is not very useful while you are playing pool under a 30 second time limit per shot.

[FASTLARRY]

MitchAlsup, on Oct 5 2009, 01:13 PM, said:

One itoa from my statements in this thread may not be clear to everyone:

Physics is useful to learn how to play pool, but once you get to APA 5 (or so) its all about execution

Physics is not very useful while you are playing pool under a 30 second time limit per shot.

[FASTLARRY]

Exactly

[FASTLARRY]

FASTLARRY, on Oct 5 2009, 02:29 PM, said:

Exactly

They asked Babe Ruth about the new book that was out on the physics of batting and what did he think about it. He said, what does physics have to do wit battin?

They asked Joltin Joe the same question and he said, what's physics? All I know, is they throw the ball at me, I wack it over the 2nd baseman's head and run like hell.

[MitchAlsup]

You are implying that one can be a complete idiot and still reach the highest levels of a game. Want to restate you point in a way that is not derogatory to those great players?

[FASTLARRY]

yeah, capt tony is gone, and more and more, it appears to me, I am becoming the last one standing. And I am gonna go out, raising hell, it aint gonna B pretty.

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[FASTLARRY]

FASTLARRY, on Nov 3 2009, 02:34 PM, said:

yeah, capt tony is gone, and more and more, it appears to me, I am becoming the last one standing. And I am gonna go out, raising hell, it aint gonna B pretty.

[FASTLARRY]

This is for those, hu think physics is the key to winning pool, if so, then why is it that none of this physics professors, cant beat their meat, or run 3 fuckin balls?

FL SAY:

Since I have a PHD in physics from Tech, yo, let Doctor Larry, yo me, try to splain all dis to ya. Youse shoves a ball into da pocket, and youse grabs da loot and tries to get out da door without any major bodily harm bein done to youse poi son. If youse does dis, den youse is called a winner. If youse dont, den youse has a new handle, like big nose, or no teeth, or one eye charlie or scare face willie. Physics, yo, what does phyisics gots to do wit shovin a ball into da pocket? Shit, I cant even fookin spell the shit right? Ask Efren to explain dis, I did once, and he said, what's physics? Babe ruth said da same thing, so did joltin Joe, Yogi and Minnesota Fats. I asked Pancho Camacho the great 3-cushion star and he said, we dont need, no stinkin physics holmes.

Let me C here, I am trying to run dee last rack of a set and if I get out, I am set for 3 or 4 days where I live well, and if I dont, I sleep in the back seat of my car again and I am a regular diner at the McDonalds dumpster, so do I want to be thinking about the coefficient of restitution and the spin of a ball and where their atomic particles are rotating around in fookin orbit like doctor Dave or Jewie does, or the dissipation of these fields, a key problem in defining physical reversibility and classical-quantum radius, which then gives me multiple viewpoints of computation and measurement. First, a fundamental relationship between energy dissipation and the time required for information erasure is derived in the context of computation processes. Next, I review the nonunitarity and irreversibility in quantum-mechanical measurement processes, thinking about the possibility of generating the Schrödinger-cat state (the quantum-mechanical superposition of macroscopically distinguishable states). In a quantum-chaotic system, in particular, in suppressed chaotic behaviours which can revive by the nonunitary measurements. There, nonunitary information dissipation from the relevant system to an external system (a measurement apparatus) plays essential roles of course and must be considered when one tries to aim using the ghost ball, CTE and the ding dong perfect aim system all blended into one trying to get both eyes to act as one and then taking this, seeing a triangle, then covering it with an obtuse angle, then divide all the sides by 3, the hypotenuse, the adjacent and the opposite 3rd side, then subtract minus two and add back 1 and you now have the perfect point of aim as soon as you factor in the static resistance and friction on contact and using the Feynman algorithm to calculate the changes of the electrical current and when you arrive with a jules figure then divide it by 1.35582 Nm = 1 ftlb.

If two bodies undergo a direct collision, they will now show that the lost of kinetic energy is equal to:
(1/2)μ(v^2)(1-e^2) and this direct loss of internal flux capacitance and distruption of the polar orbits of the protons and electrons means now that: you now take the final The coefficient of restitution


for two colliding objects, where C r=V2 V1
U1 U2

v1 is the scalar final velocity of the first object after impact and if the balls are brand new all these calculations work, but if the balls are dirty, sticky, then all these factors change along with English, throw and deflection, and speed, type and age of cloth also factors in, then is their humudity in the air, get a film of water on the balls, all calculations have to be redone.


The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle says - loosely - that you can't know with certainty both where an electron is and where it's going next, which then means, the shot could go anywhere.
So drop all this shit, just two stroke the fucker into the back of the pocket, pick up the loot and get outta there fast.


Physics, youse needs dis in billiards, like youse need a new dose of da clap. Sheeze.............

somebody email this to Dr Dave and to Jewie. They will study this for the next year. Tell them I said, all they are trying to be is some big shot, snowing you will bull shit even they probably dont understand and he cares if they do, if you dont then its worthless. They treat you like you are a mushroom, keep you in the dark and cover you will bull shit.

[Argonath]

I definately have to agree with you Larry.

Once I had the basics, I never took lessons, or studied books. I do everything by feel.

It seems when I miss a shot, its not because I chose poorly what to do, it was becasue I messed up the stroke, or perhaps didnt see the ball well (I have 20/400 eyesight, and wear glasses).

When I play golf as well, I visualize the distance more than check yardage. I feel the wind, and how far it appears, and pull out the club. The other day when I played a 174 par 3, with a red flag, if I had used yardage to determine my club selection, I would have taken out the 7-iron. But I felt it was an 8-iron, hit the shot, and it landed short, bounced twice onto the green, and was about 12 feet from the cup.

I may not have all the imagination or knowledge because of experience, but I will think a shot through, and when it 'feels' like the correct choice, I am completely sold into it and the confidence is in synch.

Argonath

[FASTLARRY]

[quote name='Argonath' date='Jul 11 2010, 06:58 PM' post='32158']
I definately have to agree with you Larry.

Once I had the basics, I never took lessons, or studied books. I do everything by feel.

It seems when I miss a shot, its not because I chose poorly what to do, it was becasue I messed up the stroke, or perhaps didnt see the ball well (I have 20/400 eyesight, and wear glasses).

When I play golf as well, I visualize the distance more than check yardage. I feel the wind, and how far it appears, and pull out the club. The other day when I played a 174 par 3, with a red flag, if I had used yardage to determine my club selection, I would have taken out the 7-iron. But I felt it was an 8-iron, hit the shot, and it landed short, bounced twice onto the green, and was about 12 feet from the cup.

I may not have all the imagination or knowledge because of experience, but I will think a shot through, and when it 'feels' like the correct choice, I am completely sold into it and the confidence is in synch.

Argonathdefinitelybecausedidn't


FL SAY: AS SO GRASSHOPPER, WE HAVE ANOTHER CONVERT TO THE TRUTH HERE, THIS IS GOOD.

I have been a scratch golfer since 72, and play pool on a pro level, and I play both games the same, both by feel, with a total empty brain, its all visualization, see it, feel it, do it, it does not get any deeper than that. Play by mechanics, try to control it all, you are doomed.

You said: when I played a 174 par 3, with a red flag, if I had used yardage to determine my club selection, I would have taken out the 7-iron. But I felt it was an 8-iron, hit the shot, and it landed short, bounced twice onto the green, and was about 12 feet from the cup.

FL SAY: mY pat line here, is go with what you know, if you feel it, do it, ignore everything else. Always trust your instincts, or the first thing your cpu feeds you, jump on it, never argue with your cup input, when you do, you pay.