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9 ball out, how will you play it?

There is usually a shot. You usually just don’t see it. Mosconi told me that once.

Here is a typical 9 ball layout, you don’t have a shot on the 1 ball. Most of you will play safe on this shot. My shot decisions are based on the playing ability of my opponent. If on tour, playing a run out pro, I play safe. If playing a top amateur, a top Apa 6 or 7, same thing. But anything under that the facts are they can’t run 7 simple balls without screwing up or choking. They won’t get out from any 7 ball run much more that 10 to 20% of the time. If you don’t believe that, just toss out 7 balls, let them roll anywhere and start making bets with your league pals. You will get rich fast, because they are not near as good as they think they are.

So against one of them, I would hit some kind of left English, depending on the angle in, probably 8 to 10, and maybe even a little punch to slide it over there and alter the natural tangent angle. My odds on making the 9 are 10 to 20%, but if it fails to go, I am still in the game 80% of the time, usually with the guy missing during his run and leaving me a simple 2 or 3 ball out. When the 1 ball goes into the 5-6, it’s a bit of a crap shoot. It will probably give him an even tougher table, but 10-20% of the time it will leave an easy table out, so there is a gamble in this decision.

The problem is league amateurs are trying too hard to play like run out pros, which they are not. They are afraid to ride the 9, thinking that’s wrong and they will look like a real ball banger and lose face. And in most cases riding the 9 is the smartest thing they can do.

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Shot 1, ride the 9 ball.

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Shot 2, play safe.

http://CueTable.com/P/?@1ANaO2CMDH1EYuS1FW...kSCl1kWaa4uAhS@

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[Pin]

Presumably if you had two hack players doing this, you could get into a situation where nothing happened until someone eventually slopped the 9 in from the 1?


I guess as an intemediate player, you can try to say run the 1 and 2, knowing the 3 will give you a good chance to ride the 9. But if nobody's generally trying to sink balls, it could be a long frame!


I suppose that doesn't mean it's tactically wrong. It doesn't seem like fun though.

[FASTLARRY]

[quote name='Pin' date='Nov 23 2008, 03:22 PM' post='24186']
Presumably if you had two hack players doing this, you could get into a situation where nothing happened until someone eventually slopped the 9 in from the 1?


I guess as an intemediate player, you can try to say run the 1 and 2, knowing the 3 will give you a good chance to ride the 9. But if nobody's generally trying to sink balls, it could be a long frame!


I suppose that doesn't mean it's tactically wrong. It doesn't seem like fun though.


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Ah so Grasshopper, you still do not get it.............No worries, few do. This one I know is hard to grasp, as it goes against everything you know and have been taught.

Not fun, or it could take a long time to win, with me its not, that is exactly the way I play 9 ball, against any one who can't get out from the 5. Any shot off of the 1-2-3-4 and sometimes the 5, I ride the 9 no matter where its at, many times I just want to move it out where I can get at it later. I let you get balls out of my way and I dont try and run out until I see the 5 or 6 ball. So the most you see out of me is a 3 or 4 ball out, most of my wins are slopping in the 9 ball, so you think I am a total dumb she-yit ball banger, who does not know squat, a real sausage, even though you are losing, U do not think this will last, fatal last words. It does last, for it keeps getting worse, just like a nightmare I have you trapped in. Yes, I am not very fun to play with. People leave, scratching their heads, going what in the hell was that all about? Seriously they never figure it out.

The susprising thing is very rarely does the other guy copy what I am doing. They just stay with the game and tactics they have been taught to do and they ride this ship down to the bottom of the sea. In sports, I have always been taught to change a losing game, if somebody is doing something to defeat me, change how I am losing.
So yes, you should play me safe more, or copy what I am doing, but maybe 1 in 20 will. And even if they do, they still lose, because I am so good at this. I am trained in billiards, 3-c and straight rail, with a world class force follow and draw, I am a former world champion at trick shots, so me, you do not beat. And I find this fun, lots of fun, using those skills to make tough 9 ball wins. I practice attacking the 9 ball every day and you never do, so you have no chance at this against me because frankly you have no control of your cue balls tangent angles after they leave the object ball, and I have precise control. I toss out 9 balls, and put a 9 ball in a corner as a duck, and then just shoot any ball, the one that gives me the best angle into the 9. I'll do this for about 15 minutes.

Let me prove it to U, that U have no control of where Whitey is really going. Set up the spot shot, CB in the kitchen, put the cb in the middle of the table, put the 9 ball as a duck in the bottom left corner, now shoot the ob on the spot, you dont have to pot it, just carom into and pot the 9, with out an in-off, or scratch. Then do it again, move the cb, one balls width to the left, then again and again until the cb ends up on the long rail. How many 9's did you pot, on one snap. I made, every one, without a miss, so begin your practice on this simple shot.

So U C Grasshopper, we play 2 different games, my game, U do not understand, your game, I fully understand. I am controlling you, and U, do not realize this. At this, I am the man, the Wizard.

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If you and your opponent were both playing this same way, how would a typical frame pan out?

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Pin, on Nov 23 2008, 04:37 PM, said:

If you and your opponent were both playing this same way, how would a typical frame pan out?

I win everytime because I have the superior skill and I will make more 9 balls and have more short racks. There is no solution to me, or any way to win at this, unless you can run out, when you get a shot, or you are playing me a lot of very good safes, other than this, you are toast. I will go through you faster than she-yit goes thru a goose, several times I have won 10-0 in 5 minutes flat.

Like you saw Fast Eddy do in the 61 hustler movie, and then get both thumbs broke for a reward of that great performance. It drives people, beserk. Dude, when I drop da bomb on ya, you been bombed. It['s like Batman bitch slappin ya, pow zap, and its over. As soon as I start riding the 9, the Fat Lady begins to warm up. It's like shock and awe, they look at me like you can't do that she-yit, and I go, oh no, watch me.

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Q. What does "Banzai" mean?

A. "Banzai（万歳）" literally means ten thousand years (of life). It is written with the combination of the kanji characters for "ten thousand（万）" and "age（歳）." Click here to learn the kanji characters for it.

"Banzai" is a Japanese cheer that can be translates as "Long life!" or "Hurrah!" It is usually repeated three times to express enthusiasm, celebrate a victory, applause and favor on happy occasion while raising both arms. It is commonly done together with the large group of people.

Foreign people seem to confuse "Banzai" with a war cry. It is probably because the Japanese soldiers shouted "Tennouheika Banzai!(天皇陛下万歳!)" when they were dying during World War II. In this context what they meant was "Long live the Emperor" or "Salute the Emperor".

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[FASTLARRY]

9 BALL RIDE THE 9 BONZAI

3 pagers, 4-09, 01, rev 11-23-08, CR, Fast Larry Guninger, all rights reserved, published in numerous internet sites.

I always say that when I ride the 9, Bonzai. I jam both hands up in the air with my cue like a real Nip but only shout it once, and not the traditional 3 times which would be overkill. I played an old Major who retired and had fought the Japs and was traveling around hustling pool to make a living and being backed up with his retirement pay. The guy was good, very good, and he beat most of the guys at my top joint. I layed back and played him last, only until I fully studied his game. I got him, but it was not easy. He rode the 9 a lot and every time he kept yelling out that damn bonzai. After a while, it wears on you, drives them nuts, and it bothered me big time, which is why I do it gambling, never of course in any tourney where I am on my best behavior. You want them to begin to tighten up, grit their teeth, hold their cue tight, every time I ride the 9. You want them to know it’s coming. It will wear them down. It will get to them, trust me on this.

On the pro tour you want to break and make 1 or 2 with a nice spread and then run out. The one who runs out the most usually wins. The top 20 players almost try to run out every time. You amateurs see this on TV and think that is the way to play. Yes it is if you are in the top 20. If you are a club player it is not. Why try to play a game that is beyond you. Prove it to your self and take this reality check to find out just how good you really are.

Toss out 9 balls on the table equally spread and most in favorable locations. Lay out an easy run out table. Now with cue ball in hand, make the one and run out with out missing. Do this 10 times every day and record and chart what your number is. Do you get out 5 of 10, 50%. If so that is not good enough to try and play the run out game. The average pro will get out here 87%. The top twenty players 90% and guys like Efren 95%. So until you get at least up to 80%, 8 out of 10, stop trying to run out.

Now the harder test, break and run out and chart how many times out of 10. The average tour pro does this 20% at 9 ball. In a race to 10 he breaks and runs out twice. At 8 ball on the IPT is was 25% and 32% for the top 10. Now watch the women pros on TV and you will be shocked at how few times they break and run out. What you see is they break awful and then push out, time after time.

If the pro’s have lousy numbers like this, they why are you trying to do it? It’s like trying to beat a casino; the odds are you don’t do it. Yes, now and then you do, but usually the house wins.

If I break and can see a very easy run out table and I know I am 80% I go for it. If I break and see a hard table with balls on the rails and usually that 5 or 6 ball in that spot you know will be a bitch to get to and even if you get there getting back on the next ball will be harder and admit to my self the odds of me pulling this off are 20% and those odds stink. Yes Johnny Archer will get out from there but I am not Archer. I’ll miss the one on purpose and have you take on the 20% run. If you get out and I know you are an out from the 5, no problem, you got lucky, you can not keep it up and I will keep feeding you these runs and soon I will own you.

So get smart and let the other chump play that losing game and sell out to you. How many games have you lost where you broke and ran to the 5 or 6 and got in trouble and left an easy 3 or 4 ball run out for your opponent. You shot all the hard shots, got all the balls out of his way and handed the game to him on a platter. Hello McFly, knock knock, when do you wake up and smell the coffee here. You are not good enough to do this so stop trying to. Take a lower limb in the pool world to perch on and suck up your ego here. Most 9 ball games are won by somebody running only 2 or 3 balls to win because the other guy screwed up. Begin to study this and you will see how clear it is.

When you break and you do not see a dead easy run out then do not try to get out. Miss the one ball even if it’s a duck. Hang the one, scratch on it and let the other sucker get all the balls out of your way. Just refuse to begin a run. If the other guy breaks and misses the one, put a miss back on top of him. This strategy should apply to all but serious run out players.

Every player you know you should keep a book on him like baseball pitchers do on batters and them on pitchers. You need to know their strengths and weakness. My book is never leave me a bank, I am death on them but a poor cutter especially at distance do to my poor eyes. Every opponent should have a skill number and when playing a stranger you can usually get close to his after a set or two. My number is 80% out from an open table and 20% out from the break and run. I am very dangerous from the 4 on.

His number is the ball he can get out from on a regular basis. A run out player can get out from the 1 ball, or the 2, the 3, few can from the 4. If you can get out from the 5 ball 90% of the time you can beat 90% of the players you face. Some can’t get out from the 6. Once you begin to find this out you will be shocked at how bad you really are and the guys you are playing. You all suck, most of you can’t run 3 or 4 balls and 9 ball and have no clue this is true.

The concept is if the guy is a 5, he can get out from there a lot then have him always begin the run. If you break and make a ball and the 9 ball is any where close to a pocket then attack it and keep attacking it until he gets to the 4. So you fail to pot the 9 and he now has a shot at the 2, or 3, where is he going, he can’t get out. Riding the 9 is free with nothing to lose from it. He will usually run 4 or 5 and leave you the easy 2 or 3 clean up to win.

This is a good gambling ploy where I use the spin break a lot which allows me to move the 9 ball towards a pocket and leave it there for later attack. I combo a lot of them in and they tell me how lucky I am. They keep coming back for more if they think you win lucky. You rarely see me run more than 3 or 4 balls and you don’t think I am a player. Run racks on them and they take off early.

Q. What does "Banzai" mean?
A. "Banzai（万歳）" literally means ten thousand years (of life). It is written with the combination of the kanji characters for "ten thousand（万）" and "age（歳）."
"Banzai" is a Japanese cheer that can be translates as "Long life!" or "Hurrah!" It is usually repeated three times to express enthusiasm, celebrate a victory, applause and favor on happy occasion while raising both arms. It is commonly done together with the large group of people.
Foreign people seem to confuse "Banzai" with a war cry. It is probably because the Japanese soldiers shouted "Tennouheika Banzai!(天皇陛下万歳!)" when they were dying during World War II. In this context what they meant was "Long live the Emperor" or "Salute the Emperor".


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BREAK THE SPIN BREAK

3-20-00, rev 1-29-05, 8-3-08, 3pages CR, Fast Larry Guninger all rights reserved. Published in DC, bpn, czm, upp, ppt, flp, btt.

I teach in both 8 & 9 ball to break off the end rail and l/2 diamond left or right of the middle diamond on the short rail. I teach no English, 6:00 and just far enough below center to bring the cue ball straight up table 3 diamonds. This produces a run out table.

When you get house cloth which is thicker than simonis and it’s been on a while you will see 15 nice deep craters where the balls rack. This creates problems and an opportunity. The craters mean many of the balls will not freeze to each other. If you have the balls frozen on top and on the bottom of the 9 ball it goes no where fast. Have some gaps there and it moves out of the rack. If I see that I may go to the spin break. You have to play around until you find out how thick and where you hit the one ball at and what tip position.

If I am gambling with you and I know I can beat you flat, if I play too good I run you off early. But if I keep slopping in the 9 ball, you figure I am just lucky and you keep coming back for more, and more, until I bust you flat. To do that you have to get the 9 ball in position to attack is successfully. Normally it says close to where it was racked in the center of the table where you can do nothing with it. But with the spin break, you are moving it over and around the bottom corner pocket where you can attack and pot it a number of different ways.

This creates a couple of problems, you are losing control of the one ball and this break is not the way to play run out pool. The cue ball stays down table a lot and that is not good. You are not trying to run out here, which is not the point. You are trying to get an early cheap shot at the 9 ball and end it early. By losing the cue ball you will not always have a good shot to pot the one ball which is going up table. And you have moved the 9 over in front of the corner. You want to avoid feeding the opponent your duck 9 ball, which is reserved for just you. So when that happens and I don’t think I can get at it first and he might, I don’t do anything dumb. I can push, play safe, or even take a foul and shoot any ball into the 9 to pot it and then have it spot up, or shoot it out and away from the pocket.

It is not going to work out every time for you and expect it to backfire some. Generally the opponent is too dumb to see what you are doing and he sticks to his normal try and run the table game. You are the stupid one rolling the 9 ball like a real ball banger.

Begin using one tip right and a tad below center. My cue is laying flat on the end rail and I try not to jack up but hit the rack with a fairly level cue. As every table breaks different, I may begin one diamond, or one foot left of center, then I might move over left two feet until I find a spot that works. I may even move over to the left long rail where the pros break 9 ball from.

Depending on how the balls come out, I may use 2 tips, maybe 3 tips on some occasions. The balls open best on 860 Simonis, slower on thicker house cloth. When you do it correctly the 9 ball moves towards the bottom left corner pocket every time. I play a very aggressive form of 9 ball where I attack it a lot early in the game so even if it gets close to the pocket it sets up a combination or carom opportunity as well. By making the 9 on the break and having short racks where I made the 9 off of the 2 or 3 ball on several occasions I have won 10 games in a row in 5 minutes flat. That was how I got the name Fast Larry. I would beat you in a set of 10 games so fast your head would swim.

I have made the 9 in the bottom left pocket A 4 times in a row several times and had it done to me as well by several others. I have heard its been done 6 times in a row which I believe because when I made it 4 in a row the last time on 5 & 6 snaps I hung the 9 in the corner and almost did it my self. I had a very slow cloth or I would have done 6. The only downside of this is you lose the cue ball and do not control it and that’s the trade off. The spin break does not always work well and its success depends a lot on the type and condition of the cloth and the balls you are using. It you want to make the 9 ball and you are racking for your self cheat by having gaps in the two balls below the 9 so neither are touching it and that allows it to escape. Or at least have one of those balls gapped.
You wait for your opponent to leave the table to go to the bathroom and you deep tap in all 9 balls into little craters. You have all the balls frozen except the two behind the 9 ball which you allow a l/16th gap which cannot be seen unless he looks over the rack. Few ever detect this. You also tap in this new rack for you about 1” high, above the spot. This will allow you a better chance to make the 1 ball in the side pocket and it also insures the opponent won’t rack in your holes and accidently make the 9 ball for himself. If you see him find those holes, you tell him the one is not on the spot and make him re rack lower. If he catches you cheating, you just say, opps, sorry, my mistake. Go to confession on Friday, tell it all to father O’Malley, do the rosary, it’s worth it. Leave a nice tip in the poor box on your way out. Show some class.

If you are racking for your opponent have the balls on top of and below the 9 froze and even tap them to insure it. He breaks and the 9 ball just sits there like it’s glued to the cloth.

A Meucci cue is very good on the spin break. It breaks great because it puts a lot
Of spin on the ball. I have made 7 on the break using one at 8 ball. Warning, this cue is not designed to hold up under this type of abuse so do not be surprised when
It falls apart on you. A triangle or Talisman S would be the best tip to use. If you
Only plan to blast them very hard using little or no English then the new Talisman
XX break tip would be your choice.

I do not use the spin break on the UPA world 9 ball tour because we always play on
A brand new cloth which has no craters. You also lose the cue ball and rarely know
Where it is going so it’s not a run out break. I used it for gambling where I wanted to appear as lucky as possible to keep the inferior mark in the game. If your opponent is not a run out top player then this break is smart to use. Begin running racks on a chump and they take off. Slop in some 9 balls and they stay as they view you as just being lucky. You have the chance to make the 9 and win. If you lose the cue ball and he gets to shoot your mark rarely runs out and usually dogs the run leaving you an easy 3 or 4 ball out. You actually want inferior opponents beginning each run to get the congestion out of your way.

When I was the house pro at Mr. Cues II which is the top action room in Georgia we have the top sticks in Atlanta and from around the country coming in there. I had a contest where the house put in $100 to begin the pot and every snap you wanted to take cost you $3 and if you made the 9 ball you got the pot. I survived 189 breaks and the best that should have been was 32. I guess that proves I know how to rack and keep you from making the 9 ball. The guy who did it was some big gorilla who blasted the rack with all his beef, the 9 sits there and it got back kicked up table to pot in the far corner which never happens. He got lucky on me.

The key to this was tapping and freezing the two balls behind the 9 tight on it. If you want the 9 to spin out and try to pot on the snap then create a little gap on either or both sides of it under the 9 ball.

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Now left click and hold at the same time to open the table hold down ctrl and shift together at the same time on your bottom left keyboard. The blue table appears, at the bottom, hit paste, then OK twice, and you now see the shot.

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In every break plan you have a spot you always begin with the cue ball from experience works the best and then if you do not produce results you begin to move it right or left until you find a spot that does yield success. On some tables the spin break works from here.

The 9 ball can also be made in this same pocket breaking off the same positing on the left long rail, using opposite English, low left, so play with it and see what works. You might even try hitting the one ball very full with one tip left above center, with your high racking an inch above the spot, the one ball will pot in the right side now a lot. If you begin making the one, then you don’t want the 2 ball going up table so begin placing the 2 behind the 9 ball which keeps it around the rack area. To have the 2 go up table most of the time, you make it the bottom ball in the rack.

Then there is this postion back to low right again. No two tables are the same and no two break the same so do not be stuck with just one break. Have many options and keep experimenting until one produces. Most pro’s agree, a break with 100 or 150% power does not work. A hard but pure medium power break with some spin is best.

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May God bless and peace be with you. May there now be peace between us. If you are a real pool player, then fast truly loves you. May the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall.
VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. “Fastus Maximus. “ Latin for “I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all. Yes I really did do it all and you can believe it, or not. If you don’t believe it, C’est La Vie. " Shoot straight, innovate, never give up, just run out on the other guy then there is no way for you to lose. "Winners make things happen. Losers let things happen
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