[ZenerJazz]

I began this project over 1.5 years ago. I started building my home with this room in mind. I ran upon a great table that was a great value and I really want to make it the best it can be for many years to come. I personally removed this table from the previous owners home. I meticulously broke the table down, packaged it and placed it in climate controlled storage about 1 year ago. Understanding that putting it back together is a different ball of wax, I have reached out to a professional (Brunswick certified, if there is such a thing) to do the job. I got a quote for 450$ to rebuild and recover the table, labor and materials included. When I asked what type of cloth he would be using he stated that his choice was Centinial <sp>. I asked about Simonis, but he said the price difference was major. Which leads me to my first question; is Simonis worth the investment over his recommended brand? Secondly, I keep seeing #'s associated with the coverings; 760, 860, even some in the 300's. I am not sure what all this means. I have been shooting pool for about 25 years, mostly in bars. All I know is, I like a fast track. From the internet reading I have been doing, 760 is the way to go to achive this. Is that correct?

As for the room. Should I be concerned with stable temp and humidity? The table will be in an upstairs bonus room with a dedicated heat/air system. Temp should not be a problem. But living in the south, humidity can vary from season to season. Should I make efforts to monitor theses variables?

Thanks in advance for any responses and if you think of any other "gotchas" with home tables, please pass them along. They are coming to get this thing off the ground Nov. 6th.

[ZenerJazz]

Anybody? Nothing? Particularly on the 860/760/Thread count deal.

[Demondrew]

ZenerJazz, on Nov 1 2008, 01:22 AM, said:

Anybody? Nothing? Particularly on the 860/760/Thread count deal.

I'll give it a try.
I am pretty sure you will want 860.
300 is billiard cloth, fast, greased lightning. Made for 5x10 billiard tables (no pockets)
760 really fast Ok for a 9' table, too fast for anything smaller.
860 still a fast cloth with great wear characteristics (this is what the pros use for 9-ball on TV)
Find a pool hall that has the different cloth types and try them out.

As for humidity/heat/cooling If it is comfortable for you your table will be fine. There will be differences in how the table plays on humid vs arid days.
But that goes for any table.
Good luck, I hope this helps.

[ZenerJazz]

Thanks for the input. I'll let you know how it turns out.

[The_Woim]

ZenerJazz, on Nov 2 2008, 12:37 AM, said:

Thanks for the input. I'll let you know how it turns out.

Go with the 860, it lasts longer than the 760. Using 300 cloth is strictly for the 3-Cushion Billiards crowd.

Don't worry too much about humidity. Have the table installed and enjoy it. If the rails become noticably slower, then get a dehumidifyer for $300-$700 and that will help considerably.

Brunswick technicians are committed to the Centennial cloth and it's probably great.

$450 for a complete rebuild plus materials... Good price.

What Brunswick model table do you have?

The Woim

[ZenerJazz]

The_Woim, on Nov 3 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

What Brunswick model table do you have?

The Woim

I found what I think is a very nice looking table. It is a mid-1990's Brunswick Orleans 9'.

[ZenerJazz]

A question regarding cushions. What factor determines when cushions should be replaced? Is it time, useage or a combo of the two?

[Hillyer]

ZenerJazz, on Nov 3 2008, 09:40 PM, said:

A question regarding cushions. What factor determines when cushions should be replaced? Is it time, useage or a combo of the two?

I think it comes down to the time and condition of storage more than useage. Temp changes and old age tends to give you dead spots. They may even start to dry rot. And when one goes the others arent far behind. Hope this helps.

[ZenerJazz]

Thanks for the cushion info. I removed the felt from the rails in peparation for recovering. The rubber seems good. No soft spots, splits or obvious defects. The previous owner said no more than the equivelent of 200 games had been played on the table since he bought it in the mid 1990's. I assume that is a good thing; not a use it or lose it situ.

[ZenerJazz]

Finally finished. Thanks for the help/suggestions.




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[JoeS]

That's a nice looking table you got... congrats and enjoy it

[The_Woim]

ZenerJazz, on Nov 5 2008, 02:27 AM, said:

Thanks for the cushion info. I removed the felt from the rails in peparation for recovering. The rubber seems good. No soft spots, splits or obvious defects. The previous owner said no more than the equivelent of 200 games had been played on the table since he bought it in the mid 1990's. I assume that is a good thing; not a use it or lose it situ.

It's a bad thing. Rubber needs to feel the balls showing their love.

You're table will be just fine, but play on it every day.

The Woim

[ZenerJazz]

I have played everyday so far. I have played pool for a long time and I love it; but that makes me nothing more than a hard-core novice. It is hard to practice everyday, it kinda gets boring. I am trying to read up on things that make practice more enjoyable.......As Allen Iverson once said "PRACTICE!!!! We talkin' bout PRACTICE".

[The_Woim]

ZenerJazz, on Nov 11 2008, 12:36 AM, said:

I have played everyday so far. I have played pool for a long time and I love it; but that makes me nothing more than a hard-core novice. It is hard to practice everyday, it kinda gets boring. I am trying to read up on things that make practice more enjoyable.......As Allen Iverson once said "PRACTICE!!!! We talkin' bout PRACTICE".

Practice can get boring, but lately I've never found it boring.

If you just throw the balls on the table and shoot, that really won't improve your game.

Practice, to be fun, should be goal oriented. Make it your goal to work on a specific aspect of your game and designate some skill drills for this purpose. Also, break down practice into parts and only practice two or three parts a day. (Use an alarm clock and set it to ring after 15 minutes per part to keep from being monotonous).

Drill 1: (Can only mention one today)

Practice straight in long shots. Line up the 15 balls along the centerstring in order and place the cueball one diamond away and shoot balls 1-8 into the right hand corner pocket and then shoot balls 9-15 into the left hand corner pocket. At first, if you miss just return the ball you missed to the spot. When you get a little better, return all balls to the spot and restart the drill.

Does this drill sound boring? It would be except you should concentrate on the mechanics of your stroke and your pre-shot and shot routine.

After a couple of weeks, you will get so proficient at this drill that you can move the cueball position to two diamonds away and this will make the shot more difficult and soon you'll master this also.

After a few weeks of this, you will really smack in those long straight in shots. You'll gain the confidence and long straight in shots will not be feared.

Yours truly,
The Woim

[ZenerJazz]

Mr. Woim, thanks very much for the tip. I am in the great city of Milwaukee this week, I can't wait to get home to try your suggestion. It is not fun getting your table off the ground and leaving for work......but that is what pays the bills. Thanks again for taking the time to give your suggestions.

[Toot]

ZenerJazz, on Nov 13 2008, 06:21 PM, said:

Mr. Woim, thanks very much for the tip. I am in the great city of Milwaukee this week, I can't wait to get home to try your suggestion. It is not fun getting your table off the ground and leaving for work......but that is what pays the bills. Thanks again for taking the time to give your suggestions.

That sounds like a fun project, bring an old table back into play.

[ZenerJazz]

Any other practice tips???? That one is getting kinda worn.

[The_Woim]

ZenerJazz, on Nov 27 2008, 09:27 PM, said:

Any other practice tips???? That one is getting kinda worn.

With the drill I mentioned above, now move the cueball two diamonds away and if you miss, start the whole drill over again and don't quit until you can make all balls without a miss.

Trust me on this one, you're going to be a master of the straight in shot from any distance. You're gonna like the way you shoot straight in shots and, at the same time, you're improving your stroke.

This drill I mentioned is a part of my practice sessions. I never go two days without doing the drill.

Of course, if the shot is "other than straight in" I have NO CLUE!

Just kidding on that last one, but the basics just can't be shortcutted.

Yours truly,
The Woim

[The_Woim]

ZenerJazz, on Nov 27 2008, 08:27 PM, said:

Any other practice tips???? That one is getting kinda worn.

Now that you've mastered the straight in shot, let's try this drill.

Take the eight ball plus four striped balls and roll them on the table in a random manner. If one of them falls into a pocket, take it out and roll back onto the table. Ok, you now have three balls and the eight.

Simple drill but challenging and will highlight weakness in your game. Take cue ball in hand and run out the rack as if you were in an eight ball game. If you sink the three stripes and the eight, you win. If you mess up just once, you lose. Keep track of how many games you win in ten tries. If you win eight games out of ten, bump the number of striped balls up to four.

Try this and tell us how it worked out for you.

Yours truly,
The Woim

[ZenerJazz]

both of these have been very helpful. The 4 ball deal is harder than one thinks. My problem right now is I am looking at the next shot too much. I have had to make myself go backwards the past few days and just make the darn shot.....not worry about what is next.