[ThePoolHustler]

Which is better...Schon shaft or Predator 314? What do all of you prefer? I know when I tried a Schon cue out a couple years ago it had a lot of deflection. I did not like it. I'd rather get a 314 for my Lucasi butt. Which would take more time to adjust to...the Schon shaft or the Lucasi?

[FASTLARRY]

The answer to that is the 314 installed on any Schon will improve its performance and create less deflection. Put a Meucci black dot on that same cue and it even gets better than the 314. In the Meucci tests the Schon was one of the cues that deflected badly as they have a stiff shaft taper and stiff cue butt construction.
The Meucci robot shoots a cue ball down a lazor line hitting a half tip right english with a level cue producing a deflection of the cue ball left of the target line and the cue ball not coming back producing a cutt of the object ball right of the target line.

The Joss cue deflected 5 l/4" right and the black dot improved its deflection by 133%, the Lucasi was 5 l/2" right, the McDeromott was the worst with 6" right, the black dot improved it 188%.

The Falcon cue is the Predator, they have always made the butts and Predator makes the core shaft, sends it to Falcon for them to finish it. The Falcon is a very stiff high deflection cue and it went right 6 l/4", install a 314 on it and it improved 44% now going right 4 5/16". Install black dot and it want only 1 7/8" right and the blackdot improved the original cues deflection by 233%. You would see about those same results on the Schon, which deflected 6" right which is bad. The black dot installed on the schon only went right 2 9/32" and improved it's performance by 163%.
You may call Meucci and acquire this tape and see the tests for your self.

:-D

[PoolShark75]

I would like to see the tests done with 1/2" of side on the cue ball. Also, the fact that the Schon shaft produces more deflection does not mean it is a piece of ####. It just means that it imparts a little more squirt to the cue ball when struck with side. Players can adjust to the amount of squirt which a cue/shaft produces whether it is a very small amount or a larger amount.

[FASTLARRY]

That is true sir, the better player will adjust to this.

[Troy]

You might want to look at http://www.platinumb...ing_deflect.php

They claim to be "an independent company and have no affiliation with any billiard product manufacturer. The performance information provided is based on careful scientific testing and observation."

(Can't wait for FL to jump all over this with another long-winded "dissertation" that makes him famous. After all, FL must spend 18 hours a day writing posts on this site... ) :-?

[Black-dot]

Actually, Troy, I value Fast Larry's advice, and don't appreciate your constant ripping on him. Why don't you post something on here that will help people to improve their game, like Fast does?

[Troy]

Take a look at the site I previously referenced. There is information there that might help with shaft/cue selection based on CB deflection/squirt.

Peace... ;-)

[ Edited by Troy on 2004/4/22 21:34 ]

[FASTLARRY]

Go back and look up this guys Troy posts on az and on ccb and see how much this guy taught or offered to players of any value. The answer is virtually none. He is a board boil. He just has a worthless meaningless loser existence and likes to come in and stir this or that or flame people who really know or are successful. A pool bum who hops the counter behind the desk between getting fired and ran out of one joint after the other one. He runs with that SF Calif crowd, you know, the land of slopes, fruits and nuts.

Jewey is his king, the bozo who cant run 3 friggen balls. The bozo who plays with no ferrule. The bozo who does not even play pool but comes on the pool boards and acts like some pool guru.

Lets see, Predator has its factory in Jacksonville, Fla, I have had Allen walk me through every section of it. They have given me 6 shafts which I no longer play with today. They gave all pros shafts which was smart and the amateurs saw us playing with them and then bought them. They were a good deal when they were $125, but when they are now selling for what most good cues go for I go tilt. A 314 is $230 and the Z is $275 and that is just the shaft. For $275 I should get a cue and a shaft. I think that then goes into rip off take advantage and rape the player mode. No shaft and I repeat no shaft should ever be more than $150 or $165, anything beyond that is silly folks. Selling these shafts for these high prices is getting out of hand, just as paying $40 for a Morri tip is nothing but rape also.
You can buy a red dot or a blackdot Meucci shaft now for $160, either one. If they match the shaft to your current cue the blackdot costs $175, which is $100 less than the predator and that is a lot.

This test Troy lists is from a predator dealer and where do you think he is located, yes virginia, Jacksonville, Fla, and guess who you think if behind that site and that report that says predator is the best and the blackdot is the worst. Oh yes yes, you did figure that one out, didn't you. White pool hustler speak with forked tongue and out of side of mouth. You learn in this game and in life, not to believe, everything you read. The predator factory is also in Jacksonville and the guy who put up these test worked for Predator for 8 years and just left them to be a dealer. You will note on his site he does not sell Meucci cues and everything they are doing is slanted to push Predator. The tests, sorry, how they did it, the results, you can't see it, it's not available, you just have to take their word for their new findings. I think that settles that issue. It's an old saying, figues can lie and liars will figure. I can sit down here and write up the same report and say my walmart mop handle tested the best over all cues from my lab tests and put that out on the internet and I am sure some suckers will buy into this. My test would have the same creditabilty as his now does.
Bob Meucci sends you out his proof, a 37 minute video showing you how each shaft was tested and showing it happen on the lab robot. These people just print a bunch of fluff and do not back it up with nothing, it is enough to make me puke. The guy who runs this site which just came up 2 weeks ago is named Shane who stood in the Predator booth as sales manager for the last 8 yrs. I wonder is this is a new retail site owned or put up by Predator under the table so they can have the sales and markup rather than see this go out to their dealer network, this has been done before and this smells like another one. What ever the deal, it stinks, I know that.

When I see somebody post a test that is saying predator is the best and blackdot is the worst, then I know those results are totally bogus and untrue and slanted. That was the clue, because I know the two best cues and shafts out there as I always said are Predator and Meucci, period. They are both good, which one is the best is the debate. One is not on the top of the list and the other on the bottom, that one sports fans is bull crap.

Nice try troy, nice plant. It is just the opposite, the black dot totally out performs the predator, so what do we have now going on, the contest to see who can print the biggest lie. This lie, posted by a proven liar on this board, Troy himself. The guy who blew his personal creditability out the window here. Troy, bozo, go back to your ccb bozo board and post your data to your fellow bozos, bozo.

I come on this board to be friends and to offer advice to those who ask for it. You do not seek advice or friendship, you come on here to attack me. Troy, F off turkey, take a hike. :-o :-o ;-)

[ Edited by FASTLARRY on 2004/4/23 12:10 ]

[jlrowe]

Hey Fast why dont you contact these people for us. Platinum Billiards and see if they have any proof, such as video of these test results. at least pics or some info on type of robot there using.

[FASTLARRY]

READ THE ABOVE, THE DATA YOU WISH HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE REPORT AND NOW YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS YOU ASKED FOR. IF YOU READ THIS YESTERDAY, RE READ IT TODAY. iT IS NOTHING BUT A PREDATOR SITE IN DISGUISE.

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jlrowe wrote:
Hey Fast why dont you contact these people for us. Platinum Billiards and see if they have any proof, such as video of these test results. at least pics or some info on type of robot there using.

[Troy]

By the way, I don't run with any SF, Calif crowd. Just shows you how little FL really knows and how much he creates from his imagination. I'm at least 50 miles from SF and never go there.

[ThePoolHustler]

You said it FL...good job!!!! I agree with your post. Meucci has proof. I ordered the video. I am waiting to get it. I will see for myself.

[ThePoolHustler]

Troy...

Please find something better to do. I don't see anyone other than Meucci atempting to put out evidence and results of their testing. If Predator is the best, where is their video and results? I'm sure the shaft is good. After all, many people have tried it and admire it. I may try one myself. However, where is all the proof?

And you my friend are guilty of blasting others too. You come on here to blast FL. If you don't like him, why are you on here. Don't reply to his posts. Do you normally hang out with people in REAL life that you do not like or enjoy being around? I doubt it. The same goes here. If you don't like someone, turn the other cheek. Find something better to do. This board is very informative. We are here to help and teach others about the game of billiards/pool. You are not teaching anyone anything by blasting others and putting them down.

[PoolShark75]

No one here should be attacked for expressing their opinions regardless of what those opinions are. If you like Predator products that is fine but others may not like them. If you like Meucci products, that is great but of course there will be people who do not like them. It goes both ways. No one is right or wrong, thee are just differing OPINIONS. What works great for you may not for the next person, no need to get angry about anything on here folks.

[Troy]

Right you are PoolShark !!!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion without being blasted for disagreeing with another's opinion.

Personally, I use neither a Meucci nor a Predator. I don't care for either one. My two favorite cues at this time are a Jim Buss and a small, part-time cue maker out of Reno, NV named Ted Kidwell.

Peace... :-)

[FASTLARRY]

Let us now examine just how friggen dumb and ignorant you are little counter man.
You said:
Posters, read this guys crap... If you disagree even in the slightest with rascist pig FL, he will blast you.

Then what do you say in the next sentence:

You begin to blast me and call me names which are of course un true. Every one knows, I aint no ferry. You accuse me of doing what you are doing. Son, you do not have a friggen clue what you are doing. Let me help you. You return to where you came from, the bozo board called ccb, and post your intelligent help and wisdom and instruction on there for your fellow bozos. You are not helping any on here so just F off turkey, do you get that one, is that plain talk enough. :-o

[FASTLARRY]

I'll bet you 100 to 1 both of your cues have Ivory ferrules and your too friggen dumb to know they suck. The first thing this turkey says is I don't play with your production cues, I have two custome cues, not one, but two. Two makes him more important than one. This is this bozo ccb board mentality, one guy gets a custome cue and it became monkey see monkey do. If you were not playing with one you were out of fashion. Every guy who got one came on to brag about it, like some badge of admission to a club. I watched this come about and sat there in amazement.

So the guy runs out and blows $800 for this custome cue that plays like crap and the guy making it cant run 3 friggen balls and does not have a friggen clue how to build one that does play worth a crap. It has an ivory ferrule which is very bad and it deflects like a mother and now the guy is happy cause he be cool now dude, he be one of da big dogs on da board.
He sold his Schon, or his Joss or McDermott or Meucci and he has a Custome cue. It's like he no longer drives a Ford, he now drives a Caddy, I guess that is the mentaliy at work here. Elitiest pool snoobery, I am now better than you.

What the guy should have done was simply bought a Predator 314 or a Meucci blackdot shaft and kept his original butt and he would not be playing great pool and be only out around $175 to $220 instead of the $800 he just blew. I come on these boards and told them how dumb they were and you can imagine the response I got from them. They just can't admit they F***ed up and made a big mistake. So they trash me instead, shoot the friggen messenger to shut him up.

The guy should admit he got conned and just hang the turkey goobler on the wall to show it off like an expensive painting, sell it quick and go buy a predator or Meucci cue and get on with his life.
:-D

[ Edited by FASTLARRY on 2004/4/24 10:45 ]

[FASTLARRY]

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Troy wrote:
Quote FL "... the land of slopes..."

You sir are an ignorant, rascist PIG !!!

Posters, read this guys crap... If you disagree even in the slightest with rascist pig FL, he will blast you.

Do not, repeat, DO NOT be a no-minded sheep. Think for yourselves. Read what this eascist pig has to say. He contradicts himself often enough to make you dizzy. If you don't agree with him, he starts calling you names.

Please do not blindly accept everything this tired old rascist pig says.

[b] DON'T BE A SHEEP !!!
THINK FOR YOURSELF.[/b[

By the way, I don't run with any SF, Calif crowd. Just shows you how little FL really knows and how much he creates from his imagination. I'm at least 50 miles from SF and never go there.

[ Edited by Troy on 2004/4/23 14:48 ]

[ Edited by Troy on 2004/4/23 14:50 ]

[ Edited by Troy on 2004/4/23 14:51 ]

You are not in SF but 50 miles away, that is a friggen surburb bubba, I live in Atlanta and I live 50 miles from our airport. In SF, you have many slopes, hills, many nuts, trees have them, many fruits, orange trees. How is that racist. Or did I get too close to the real truth about you?

[ThePoolHustler]

Troy...

What makes your cues so special? Is it that they are custom made? Big deal! A custom made cue doesn't mean that it is better than a production made cue. I'd rather play with a production made cue. At least they are produced almost identically (and to certain specifications) vs a cue that you can not buy anything for unless you have things custom made. Unless you had your cues made to your specifications, they are not truly custom made. And even if you did, it doesn't mean they are better. The player makes the cue, the cue doesn't make the player. If you suck, you'll suck no matter what cue you use. If you have skill, you will have skill no matter what cue you use. That is my opinion.

Gosh...let's analyze this. If I want a cue with a pro taper, ivory ferrule, 12.75mm Moori tip, maple shaft, etc....I can get that almost anywhere production made. I can even change those options on a production made cue if I order one. Hmmm...it seems to me that production made cues are actually custom made too if this is the case, which it is. LOL

Big deal about inlays, points, ivory this, ivory that...etc. Does that stuff make you shoot better. NO! It just makes your cue prettier. I guess pretty boys like you need pretty cues. LOL

Most shafts are made from maple wood (and some others), even custom ones. Custom made cues are not made to exact specifications. They are made with old shitty machines that suck. They are made by people in a garage somewhere. Bigger companies have better machines than the little guys. They can make their cues more precise with those machines. I'll take a production cue like a Meucci or Predator over a custom made cue any day. Predator and Meucci have the best cues out there. They are both big name companies. They both make production cues. They both have the best shafts. Nothing custom about them, but if you have the money I'm sure they'll custom make something for you cheaper than a custom cue maker. What a joke! My dad can spin wood on a lathe. Maybe I will have him make me a cue and we'll call it CUSTOM MADE. LMAO

[Troy]

Quote FL "I'll bet you 100 to 1 both of your cues have Ivory ferrules and your too friggen dumb to know they suck."

Wrong FL... I don't have ivory ferrules. I don't like the hit. No ivory inlays either...

:-P